View Full Version : Please, help me to make the right choice

Miss J
14th October 2016, 09:37 PM
Hi, everybody. Iíve decided to write here because I really need your help. I know that it was long time since anyone had written anything here. However, I want to post my story. Maybe, there will be anyone who will read my story and then help me in some way. Iím 36 years old and I have problems with my ovaries. When I was 26 I had a large cyst on my left ovary and a small one my right one. Both of the cysts were removed surgically. My problems with fertility started exactly after the surgery had been performed. My hubby and I have been TTC for 3 years. Then we contacted the fertility specialist and he advised us IVF. We had two attempts and both of them turned to be BFN. Finally, we decided to take a donor egg. Unfortunately, there isnít any one in Canada who would like to donate eggs to us, so we decided to visit Ukraine. This country has a very friendly egg donation legislative base. Egg donation can be done on commercial basis there. We contacted one Ukrainian clinic. It was Biotexcom. The clinic is situated in Kiev, the capital city. Weíve chosen it because it has quite a lot of favorable feedbacks on various fertility forums. However, when we came to Ukraine and visited this clinic, we were a little bit shocked. Firstly, itís difficult to call Bitexcom a clinic because it doesnít look presentable. The clinic is situated in a small private mansion. Can a respectable medical establishment be located in private house??? Of course, not!!!! As the building where the clinic is situated is tiny, its halls are always overcrowded. Every time I visited the clinic, it was always overcrowded: a large queue near the reception desk, large queues near the doctorís offices and treatment rooms!!! If this clinic has so many patients, why donít they open other agencies??? The clinic isnít a selective one. They deal with everybody. When we were sitting and waiting our queue to consult a GP in the clinic, we saw people of various nationalities. Some of them were behaving rather weird. We became witnesses of small conflict, when a dark-skinned man told one guy that he was gazing at his wife!!!! I thought that they were going to fight!!!! The atmosphere in the clinic is very noisy. I saw loads of couples with small children. Some of them are crying, and it causes an additional discomfort. Some words about the doctorsÖ When I met the doctor in charge of our program, I noticed that she was extremely tired. She seemed to be a good specialist, but she spoke with us very formally. When I tried to get some additional details, she looked at me angrily, so I decided not to do it. I think doctors in Biotexcom are too busy and tired. The clinic owners should take more care of their employees if they want to attract more clients. Of course, we havenít signed up the contract and decided to think everything thoroughly. Iím just curious to know if the clinic has so many patients, can it serve all its clients properly??? Is there anyone here who has contacted it or any other Ukrainian clinics??? Please share your experience.

15th October 2016, 08:56 AM
The clinic sounds very similar to top clinics in London such as the ARGC, in private, old houses, very busy and crowed. It's just the style of some IVF clinics.

In terms of donor eggs, Spain is the largest supplier of donor eggs in Europe, so I would consider going there. The IVF clinics look more like hospitals and the staff are very nice.

20th October 2016, 09:21 AM
I think you should pay attention to the clinicís success rates. If they are good, I think, itís worth dealing with them. I used to be a patient of one clinic where I tried to cure my uterus synechias. When I visited them for the first time, I liked everything: the building, the staff, the doctors. My doctor was so nice. She told me that all I need were a surgery and a coil and then I would be a mum. However, the surgery didnít help and the coil too. All I got was a big hospital billÖ

Miss J
28th October 2016, 09:01 PM
Oh, hun! How terrible! I hope youíve found a good clinic to cure your synechias. Iíve decided to contact biotexcom cause Iíve found quite a lot of favorable feedbacks about this clinic on various fertility forums. The former patients of this clinic praise the doctors who work there. They seem to be good specialists. The clinic also has a good package of services for very reasonable prices. These are the main reasons why I decided to contact them.

3rd November 2016, 11:37 AM
Hi, Miss J. Ukrainian fertility clinics are really popular among infertile couples around the world, but Iím not sure that they should be dealt with. Most of them offer services at very cheap prices. I donít think itís fair as they use the eggs of poor young women who do it cause they need money drastically. In my opinion, egg donors should be treated well because they give infertile women opportunity to conceive. They deserve the best from the best!!! Did you ask your program manager to tell you about the way they treat the egg donors?

Miss J
7th November 2016, 03:58 PM
I quite agree with you, TG135. And I wouldnít like to deal with the clinic that isnít an ethical one. Iím ready to pay for the donor egg and I want my egg donor to be treated the best as she really deserves it. I asked the clinicís manager about it and she reassured us that the egg donors are treated well there. They get decent money compensation for their eggs. All transporting and accommodation expenses are paid by the clinic. The clinic is also rather selective. They have certain requirements for the women who are to become an egg donor. The woman who wants to donate her eggs should be from 18 to 25 years old. She must be healthy. Her relatives (including, parents, grandparents, siblings, aunts and uncles) should be healthy too.

15th November 2016, 03:11 PM
Miss J, I donít think that ED is a good choice. They may find a healthy donor for you, but will this woman resemble you in some way? People are unique. Even twins have certain differences. Why donít you want to adopt? Itís nearly the same. At least, you will make one more child in this world happier.

Miss J
17th November 2016, 09:07 PM
We thought of doing this. My hubby and I decided to give birth to least one of our own child. Then we may adopt. I know that the child Iíll conceive with the help of a donor egg wonít be mine. But it will be my husbandís baby. I love him very much, and he dreams so much of having his own son or daughter. The clinicís representatives promised us to show a donorís 3d photo. So weíll be able to see the woman whoíll agree to donate her eggs to us

27th November 2016, 11:04 AM
Hi, Miss J. I would also ask you about the they way youíre going to pay for the clinicís services. Will you do it in cash or use a bank transfer? I know that fertility clinics like to charge additional fees from their clients. Does the clinic youíve got interested in do the same?
P.S. Just be cautious with such things! I wish you good luck, dear!

Miss J
2nd December 2016, 05:22 PM
I donít think Biotexcom will charge any additional fees from us. The company manager told us that weíll have to pay only a fixed sum. It means no additional fees will be charged from us. Weíll do it either via a bank transfer or in cash. However, she warned us about the fines the clinic charges from its patients. If we donít do certain medical tests in time or donít visit the clinic on the exact day, weíll have to pay for it. Do you think itís fair?

6th December 2016, 11:14 AM
Hi, ladies. Iíve also got interested in this thread. Miss J, I would like to ask you, why youíve chosen Ukraine. I don t think itís a nice choice. The country is situated pretty far away. Itís poor and at war at present. You have to know Russian to be able to communicate there. For me, itís not the best choice to go.

Miss J
11th December 2016, 04:55 PM
Hi, Simple Miracle! Ukraine does have some problems at present, but Kiev is a safe place to go. When we visited it, the city seemed to be quite modern. The clinicís representatives found a nice apartment for us. We were also supplied with the transportation service. Every morning we were driven to the clinic by a VIP-class car. We didnít even have to cook meals as the restaurant food was delivered to our apartment daily. These were the things we liked about the clinic. However, I donít understand why they made us wait in a large queue.

22nd December 2016, 10:26 AM
Hi, MissJ. Thanks for your post about Ukraine. My hubby and I plan to visit Ukraine soon, so we worried a little bit whether to visit this country or not. I would like to ask you about the eggs youíre going to use for your program. Will it be fresh or frozen eggs? Can you describe how ED is done in Biotexcom?
P.S. As far as I know, fresh eggs are more effective than frozen ones.

Miss J
26th December 2016, 07:03 PM
Biotexcom provides its clients with fresh eggs. I think itís awesome. They choose a donor for you. You may even see the donorís 3D photo. Then they prescribe you birth control pills to synchronize your periods with the donorís ones. The fertility specialist determines the date when you need to visit the clinic for the second time. When you come for the second time, your hubbyís sperm will be picked up and used to fertilize the donorís eggs. Iíll have to take hormone medicines. The first pregnancy test is to be done in two weeks. If the test has a positive result, Iíll to take the medicines up to the 12th week of pregnancy.

28th December 2016, 02:11 PM
This is a standard protocol used in most fertility clinics. Nothing special.

I would also expect to have donor eggs from young woman and to have immune testing before hand with possible endometrial receptability testing done as well.

2nd January 2017, 03:54 PM
Hi, ladies. Iím here to ask you give me a piece of advice. My egg donation will start in two weeks. I have some problems with my ovaries. Theyíre empty and rarely ovulating. We tried several IVFs and the didnít have any positive results. Finally, we want to do an IVF with a donor oocyte. Dear, should I take any special vitamins to enhance my chances to conceive?

Miss J
7th January 2017, 10:41 PM
I think you should start by consulting a fertility specialist. Heís the one who will tell you whether to take vitamins or not. It will be nice if you do some tests first. Before visiting our fertility specialist, both my hubby and I did some tests. I did blood and hormone tests. I also passed through several ultrasound checks. My hubby did a sperm test.

12th January 2017, 10:46 PM
Hi, Miss J. Thanks for your message. I quite agree with you and I visited the fertility specialist several days ago. He also asked me to do some medical tests. I reckon Iíll start doing them the following week. My hubby will also do a sperm test next week.
P.S. Hun, will you visit Bitotexcom? Please, share your updates.

Miss J
20th January 2017, 05:57 PM
We havenít decided what to do further. The clinic seems to have an attractive package of services and low prices. However, we werenít very much happy with the way they served us. Two weeks ago the client manager of this clinic phoned my hubby. They had a frank talk and he told them about the things that made us nervous. The client manager promised to fix everything. She told that the clinic is really too busy with the clients and they plan to open three more offices in Kiev to serve their clients better. A new program manager will be attached to our program and she will have to organize our visit better. I think we may visit them one more time some dayÖ

26th February 2017, 11:14 PM
Hello dear OP! First of all I have to say that this thread was really helpful for me. I'm so sorry about your story. I'm glad you are moving forward. I'm also 36 yo. I was diagnosed with premature menopause. Now I'm looking for information about ivf with donor eggs. How is your journey going? Any news? How do you feel about this clinic? I hope I'll be able to talk to you. How do you feel about the procedure itself? I'm so scared. Iím so sorry for all these questions. I'm new to this and I'm very nervous.

24th May 2017, 01:54 PM
Hi everyone! It was nice to read this thread as I had de ivf in same Ukrainian clinic a couple of months ago. It was interesting to read about good and bad aspects of this clinic. First of all I should say when I first read about biotexcom and Ukrainian clinics in general I was 90% sure we won't go there. The country has unstable situation, war, problems with economics, etc. Also it's far away, I have no clue how good(or bad) its medicine is. So I automatically crossed Ukraine from our list. My husband and I continued our search. I was surprised because I was facing reviews about Ukrainian clinics all the time. Most of them were positive. I sent private messages to a couple of women who used biotexcom. We discussed the clinic, all pros and cons. I really liked that the clinic has lower price, uses fresh eggs and provides with all needs which are necessary for foreign clients. Also I googled this clinic and it turned out biotex has high success rates and it takes first places in international rankings of clinics all over the world. I discussed everything with my husband and we decided give this clinic a chance. We sent them an email. They responded very quickly and appointment date of our first meeting with their doctor.

Our first visit was in November 2016. Kiev seemed to us very friendly place. We were met and brought to the clinic by taxi. And here was the first thing we didn't like - long lines and crowded halls. The clinic is not big and there were too many people. Our manager told us that there will be new offices soon and the situation with lines will be better. Anyway we were standing(because all seats were taken) for hours and we were so tired by the end of the day. But we saw couples from all over the world, pregnant women(there were many of them) and all these also convinced us to sign a contract with this clinic.

Our second visit was in February 2017. We came for the pick-up of the biological fatherís sperm, fertilization of donorís eggs and embryos transfer. I've got pregnant from the first attempt. Now I'm 14 week pregnant after many years of infertility. Though there were some inconveniences, I think the most important is final result.

25th October 2017, 09:34 PM
Hi girls! Thanks for sharing your stories. I'm so glad I found someone who experienced ivf with donor eggs. Last year I had failed try of IVF with my own eggs. Now doctors say I need to use donor eggs. This is my only chance to become a mother. My husband and I discussed this option. We've been thinking about it for a couple of months now. But both of us feel like we are not mentally ready for this step. Reading this and other forums I almost stopped torment myself with thoughts about baby' and mine kinship. But now I really want to know the whole process. How to prepare for the transfer? Is this procedure same as usual ivf? I'll be grateful for any information. I wish everyone best of luck!